1:08 Once again we've reversed temperature and color, because the camera setting shouldn't even be called color temperature, it should be called color temperature compensation.
So now everyone watching this thinks lower temperatures are blue, and higher temperatures are red.
Drives me crazy
@12ampvacuum Says:
Nikon Z mirrorless cameras also use mired (non linear) scale for white balance!
@vasiapetrov1051 Says:
RAW не равен использованию фильтров.
@vasiapetrov1051 Says:
Просто значения экспозиции, выдержки и диафрагмы делали инженеры, а значения регулировки цветовой температуры в цифровых камерах - делали программисты.
@princeofbrats Says:
2:50 My nikon ZF actually does it properly too! The lowest setting goes from 2500 -> 2560, and highest setting goes from 9090 -> 10000. It has clean numbers at 4000 & 5000, but most options are presumably placed at proper increments, i.e. 4170 / 4350 / 4550 / 4760 / 5260 / 5560. The closest you can get to 3000 is 3030 or 2940. You can do a color tone offset in addition, but im a big fan of how i dont have to scroll so much when i shoot in manual WB.
@barneylaurance1865 Says:
f/2, f/3, f/4, f/5, f/6 wouldn't actually be a linear progression of aperture size, because the number refers the reciprocal of a length, and the entrance pupil size is an area. The area is proportional to the square of the length. That's why f/2 is twice much light as f/2.8: (1/2)^2 is 0.25, and (1/2.8)^2 is 0.128, approximately half the area. Going the other way (1/1.4)^2 is 0.51
@wifightit Says:
Hear, hear!
@fiskebent Says:
I have a feeling that this is more about how light is perceived than a property of the light itself. A frequency is just a frequency, right? Do video cameras have a 'raw' mode where you can set the white balance after you've recorded?
@qu4zz4r Says:
IDK, I'm turning the knobs on the controller to tweak when WB, it's ok
@_mball_ Says:
Ugh, the blue/orange paradox was throwing me off this whole video until it was called out!
I think I kinda get why we have an imperfect equal-sized though non-linear impact scale. It's easier. Not to code (though, I suppose it marginally it), but it's easier to scroll through 1000K instead of explaining why the last X values aren't in the software. The "odd" values, are I think why people find aperture hard to wrap their heads around.
@krolon9786 Says:
I don't even work in software for cameras but knowing programmers then there is probably like an array declared in some library as a template and it includes the "magic numbers" for exposure and aperture but there's not for a white balance and god forbid a programmer actually do something, research something, calculate something, or, worst of all, create something new, booooo! It better be a list of magic number or it's just not real!
@williamcampbell9859 Says:
This YouTube video has been on my homepage all week and i cannot make it go away. So now I'm going to watch this video on mute in the background in the hope it will go away 🥴🥴🥴🥴
@luttinbuck413 Says:
It is standard to use "u" for micro, since it looks like "μ" (mu) and capital M always means Mega.
I always die inside when I see some stores use M for milli
@GuyFulcrum Says:
Probably fixed in Magic Lantern waaaay back.
@LarsGjerlwJrgensen Says:
Super interesting! My Nikon D7500 do have an exponential wb scale starting from 2500-2560-2630 and ending with 9330-9090-10000, so at least sometimes they try to make it more "true to physics" :)
@PietroCozziTinin Says:
Very bad voice audio with lots of slurping, drooling, clicking, and a big wet cotton in the throat. View with a white noise on the foreground so avoid heavy extreme, torture. The info of the video is mediocre at best so best not watch this video at all.
@sebastian_dogboy2311 Says:
Missed opportunity for some kind of easter egg @6:44
@TherapySurvivor Says:
Corpos would watch your video and replace the ruler with a numpad
@severgun Says:
Don't know what are you talking about. Nikon have 10K 100K or 1000K steps. You are free to choose 3720 if needed
@MePeterNicholls Says:
3:09 exposure is related to stops. So has an analogue, as it were. But colour temp doesn’t have an analogue and so … where was I?
@kenshin7718 Says:
Hi!
DIT here!
On cameras like the mentioned ARRI ALEXA 35 you can adjust the WB using predefined increments, but also you can type it in, down to the last digit. (Even decimal values if I remember correctly, but It seems as a stretch)
@smishdws Says:
K!
@Cathowl Says:
A cool video reduced in quality by poor background music and volume balance choices.
@WeissM89 Says:
It's programmed like this because cameras love being teased like that 7:04 Get a room you two !🫣
@HeraldoS2 Says:
When I was a child and later, I always wondered why digital background color was measured in Kelvins (like I thought there was a very clever insight or that it hinted at a nice intuitive relation between color and tempertature)... but after noticing this complain (I am not an arts person, so really have not cares about this before), I would imagine that using wavelength should be the literally correct approach instead of trying to be fancy with the temperature scale... but now as a professional scientist, it does not surprise me that there is another industry design that is dettached from reality and skips natural steps and just appears to do it just to show off while doing things less practical and productive.
Basicly giving extra work to others just to show off and no one (until now) willing to point out the bs for fear to be belittled.
@nateux8267 Says:
So you recognize that it's not a linear scale and then blame a hypothetical developer for making arbitrary decisions - they obviously adopted the mathematical model of whatever the prevailing science has established - honestly seems kind of intentional of you since it should be pretty easy to recognize most technical implementations model the research and is not some "developer" re-imagining the established mathematics underlying physics.
@Sedokun Says:
Lets not forget that all modern cameras fail to balance green tint of metal-halide lamps.
@schlafschaf3654 Says:
My old Nikon D7000 uses variable increments from 60 K (2500 K -> 2560 K) to 910 k (9090 K -> 10000 K).
@SerenaPScott Says:
One day, they will sell this to us as a $1200 additional feature.
@autolykos9822 Says:
Machine vision cameras completely sidestep the whole issue, because they usually set white balance as scaling factors for red, green and blue. It's the only thing that always works because your light source might not be a black body in the first place - in fact, it usually isn't since sunlight isn't predictable enough for most applications, and incandescent bulbs kinda went out of fashion in the last millennium.
@Alexagrigorieff Says:
Years ago, I scanned a bunch of negatives with Nikon film scanner (with scratch removal feature). Unfortunately, the scanner software took the red date/time stamp as significant for white balance, which was causing the overall color tinted green. There was no easy option for manual override of that.
@Alexagrigorieff Says:
I worked in CMOS image sensors development 20 years ago, and we had a few junior engineers/scientists working on these problems (white balance, sharpening, noise reduction).
I tried to explain them that you need to analyze white balance before gamma correction, and also that you cannot apply gamma correction to just Y channel, you need to apply it to RGB before conversion to YUV. That was like talking to a wall.
@manuelmanolo7099 Says:
yay, psychophysics!
@michaelwillis4528 Says:
2026 should be the year of calling out bad software solutions where the old hardware solutions were better.
@jjptech Says:
0:09 Me as colorblind…. And so? What’s wrong in that image??
@davidhoyt-hoyt Says:
Do motion cameras allow calibration? I've haven't used temperature pretty much since than digital cameras
@petermgruhn Says:
Good. Kinda too long.
@BeaDSM Says:
Is this something that could be fixed with a firmware update or is there a hardware aspect to it?
@3ng1neerGaming Says:
Now ik why all my sunset photos have the colors off
@KnakuanaRka Says:
First computer color mixing, then white balance, why can’t they figure out non-linear?
@vooracco Says:
I color balance cameras for a living. Camera's use linear steps because it's an easy way to dial in a number. We don't encounter a equal distribution of possible light sources; aside from the sun, we're all using manufactured light sources that fall within 2800K - 6000K. Lighting will not appear 'white' unless it spectral output roughly corresponds to a black body radiator at a given temperature, and if it's below 3000 or above 6000, it really doesn't look white to the eye anymore.
In a multi-camera setup, we have to correct for variances in manufacturing between cameras, lenses, and lighting. These variances are typically within a few hundred kelvin. A
Under the hood, white balance is adjusting the balance of red and blue gain, (tint adjusts the green component.) The kelvin scale is linear enough in the range of typical light sources that there's no practical need to implement something new.
@paudeluca9888 Says:
No sir... The excellent Pentax K-70 (produced between 2016-2022 and frequently overlooked as an entry-level camera) allows to freely choose how you'd like your white balance increments: either in hundred Kelvin steps, or in MIRED, equal colour increments.
@tedarcher9120 Says:
Wait, why is yellow image high temperature while blue is low temperature? This makes no sense
@opx4real Says:
When people say that you can just correct it later because it is shot in raw, and thus they don't need to worry about setting the correct color temperature. That is only discernably correct to a certain degree.
Everyone understands that dynamic range gets compressed as you increase the sensitivity, aka the ISO. But I don't think people understand that that dynamic range is not just the luminance, but also the color. Higher ISO images are more difficult to cleanly and correctly white balance, after the fact. However, setting the correct white balance and exposure can make a massive difference for the quality of an image, even when it is taken at a high sensitivity.
@BohdanManzhula Says:
Oh guys, this backgroung music is awful, everything else is perfect, yes, I really mean it.
@sandros94 Says:
For the past post scriptum: having a proper white balance from the start (before shooting) also helps you properly expose all channels, because you start noticing that in some areas you might be under/over-exposed. Correct light is always better than a fix in post
@BookWyrmOnAString Says:
Out of context "White Balance is broken" sounds like something a white supremacist would tweet
@Al_Gepe Says:
Wait, don't hotter objects (higher kelvin) glow more blue?
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